OSC’s The Mid East belongs to Muslims like how Germany belongs to the Nazi party (II)

Good evening. Pretty shattered today, new job, making a good first impression (was actually 20 minutes late on my first day), still, I’m keeping to my posting plan, having discipline. Today we’re going back into the comments of that Tyson Vs. Holyfield video, meeting the challenge of two posters (“Donald Trump” and Kidman). Now, Trump’s a troll, no not the real Trump (he may be one too), rather “Donald Trump” who got in contact with me on YouTube is clearly a troll, largely because he insists he’s a Muslim while also calling himself Donald Trump, not to mention writing comments like “It’s strange how Tyson was not as explosive in this fight as he usually used to be, given that his entrance contained a lot of Allahu Akhbars.”

Yeah, 100% Muslim right there ^^^ Nevertheless, Donald Trump (who I’m sure is Kidman too) wrote to me and another poster, insisting that we defend the claims we’d made earlier in the conversation. This might not be the most fresh topic for many of the regulars to my blog, and because you’re reasonable people you’re going to be aware of the dark side of Islam, meaning very little of what I shared with Trump & Kidman (Trump-man) is going to come as a surprise. Still, my blog’s also a resource, going hand-in-hand with my little phone versions of the Qur’an and Hadith, so I’m pleased to add these references here. They’re words of encouragement for people who’re unsure of what to make of their Islamic faith.

vespasianlegx11: islam is a strange religion. their philosophy is to kill all non believers of the koran, islam ; etc.all they know is death and destruction, why cant they live in peace with other people, they dont want to.


OSC: I couldn’t agree more, my friend. And if anyone reading knows any “Muslims”, and they’re nice people, peace loving people, which many are, just ask them if they’re really serious about the Islamic viewpoint.

Would they rape a child? Muhammad did.
Would they murder another Muslim if he left Islam? Muhammad did (and he commanded Muslims to do likewise).

These men in over 1000 years have contributed nothing to art, literature, science, and music (they aren’t allow most music so they consider concerts a safe target for attack, no real Muslims there). And today normal folk watching a classic match between two greats of the sport have to read from people falsely equating anti-Islam to racism and defending terror. It’s a joke, vespasian. Total joke. “Muslims”, the vast majority of which don’t know jack about Islam, they should be denouncing these clowns and tearing down their mosques, make room for something more wholesome.

Donald Trump: You actually talking about the BIble
Show me the verse that says to kill all non believers in the Qu’ran

Donald Trump: I Laughed at your false old claims
You just copy and paste like every other Christian and you think you nailed it
so i’m going to show you why Islam is way bigger than your lies and mohammad is the messenger of god
now let’s pick few claims and we will pick the rest later on shall we?
when did mohammad raped a child?
and when did he beat a child?
and where did mohammad said kill those who leave Islam?
and where did mohammad Tried to commit suicide.
and who said mohammad Had lust for the wife of his own son
and when did he cursed people
Go ahead Islam scholar prove it and show me the context
and if you showed me the full context and proved it I will leave Islam Immediately
MAN i’m going to enjoy this debate …waiting for your reply

Kristy Kidman: when did Prophet Mohammad (PBUM) raped a child you lier?
and when did he said Music is forbidden? it’s funny because raping children is almost unheard of in the Islamic world while in the western Christians world childrens get raped in the churches by the pastor everyday. not to mention pedophilia and incest is running wild in the Christians families you will never be able to prove your claims from the Quranic verses .. did you ever read the Quran?

I agree with Donald Trump .. you better back up your claims [you’re the same person, of course you agree!]

Kristy Kidman: this is coming from a man who worship 3 demonic false gods

vespasianlegx11: if you dont adhere to the muslim way of life you are classed as a non believer.

OSC: Very true, sir. I’m afraid your words may have fallen on deaf ears though (hope not).

OSC: If you would like to show where I’ve copied and pasted from, please do. My messages are actually original, I’ve constructed the entire thing myself. Although I do copy and paste from myself and add these things onto my blog. I’ve written no lies. If you’d like to look into the claims, that’s perfectly fine, although you don’t sound very reasonable.

Mo raped a child: “A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.” Sahih Muslim 8:3311

That’s known as rape in the civilized world (either “rape” or “statutory rape.”) Maybe if a nine year old approached an adult for sex, you would feel that’s fine and perfectly in line with God’s plan, non-Muslims however find this an act of evil. Mo raped an innocent child.

“A’isha said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” Sahih Muslim Book 004, Hadith Number 2127.

Do you like reading about girls being struck hard in the chest? I personally don’t.

Muhammad ordered apostates to be murdered: “Allah’s Apostle, Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” Sahih Bukhari 84:57.

“A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to “the verdict of Allah and his apostle.” Sahih Bukhari 89:271.

“…The Prophet said, If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.” Sahih Bukhari 52:260.

“Allah’s Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate.” Sahih Bukhari 83:37.

This point ^^^ really isn’t controversial, I mean, I was street preaching to a young Muslim man who was happy to admit to these things a few weeks ago. He said he wouldn’t personally want to kill people, but he’s not going to pretend it’s not in there. Apparently others have documented many more Islamic traditions in which Muslims are commanded to murder apostates (you can confirm these in your own time): Quran verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, 9:66.

Mo tried to commit suicide: “Now none of God’s creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed – Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest.” Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasulallah (Muhammad’s first biographer).

“But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down,” Bukhari Volume 9 number 111. Now, Mo tried to do these things, if you want to read on and see how he supposedly felt assured by an angel so that he didn’t want to kill himself anymore, that’s fine. Still, that’s exactly what he tried to do, he tried to kill himself.

“and who said mohammad Had lust for the wife of his own son” I’d imagine causing your son to divorce his wife after catching an eyeful at her nudity, then marrying and having sexually relations with her yourself, implies sexual interest. Nonetheless, nobody’s expecting you to be honest about such embarrassing details. Your Qur’an teaches “Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear God,’ and thou wast concealing within thyself what God should reveal, fearing other men; and God has better right for thee to fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her, then we gave her in marriage to thee,” Qur’an 33:37. Perhaps Muhammad was “concealing” his perfectly reasonable desire to not have sex with this woman after seeing her in an undressed state (hmm).

When did Mo curse people? “May Allah’s Curse be on Jews and Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets.” (Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660).

Writing my points are drawn from “thin air” simply isn’t appropriate. You appear to be aware of this by writing “show me the context and if you showed me the full context I will immediately leave Islam.” Now, my friend, it’s really not anybody’s job but your own to find “full context”, that’s simply far too demanding, especially considering you’re writing to people you’re totally estranged from in any meaningful sense of the word. Writing “MAN i’m going to enjoy this debate” only goes to show you’re contentious, contentious and not open to being conversed with. See, I’m having a conversation with people. Personally sir you may continue to believe in Islam, you’re an entirely free agent.

Both your views and mine however teach you’re on the road to hell: Qur’an 19:71 “And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.” Pal, I go to sleep confident in that my heart wants only good for people. Part of that good means not wanting anybody to go into hell.

Hopefully you don’t require anybody to do further leg work by highlighting how you’re in trouble in terms of the Christian viewpoint. Both views say you’re going to hell. I do appreciate how you’re eager to “internet debate”, 🙂 that’s simply not how serious people live their lives however.

OSC: That’s simply not true, Kidman. You’re deeply misunderstanding how Christians articulate their viewpoint on the Trinity [to be fair, I’ve spoken to pastors who couldn’t give me a proper Christian expression of the doctrine]. The Christian perspective insists in one God, one in essence, yet three in person. However that’s never to divide the persons into separate beings. In fact, although many people (even supposed Christians) misconstrue this belief of the community, it’s my belief that this viewpoint goes to show how glorious God truly is.

For example, discussing with a Muslim friend of mine by phone, he insisted how Allah was named “the lover” & “the beloved.” Sadly I can’t quote where he’s drawing these things from as he didn’t quote, perhaps from the names of Allah, either way, we continued on into discussing how can Allah be beloved before an initial act of creation. My friend replied “He doesn’t need to be loved”, and that’s fine, but it’s not my point, my point was to ask if Allah has changed in his very nature. Has he gone from loving no one to loving Muslims? If so he’s changed in his very nature.

He can’t love himself in eternity, that’s not love, since love has to be freely given. This means in Islam Allah’s love isn’t impartial, it’s reserved only for people who earn it. Who is more glorious, the weak in love or the strong, the less loving or the more? You’ll understand my need to share these very quickly, as I’ve already been helping your friend Donald Trump, who I’m sure is not a troll. 😉 From the Qur’an:

“God loves not the unbelievers” (III.25)
“God loves not evildoers” (III. 30)
“God loves not the proud” (IV. 40)
“God loves not transgressors” (V. 85)
“God loves not the prodigal” (VI. 140)
“God loves not the treacherous” (VIII.60)
“God is an enemy to unbelievers” (II. 90)

God as understood in my faith however, not being “3 demonic false gods”, can actually furnish an understanding in which He loves from everlasting to everlasting (AKA God is love). In comparison to the lonely god of Islam who can’t be loving (and thus when he come to love changes in his essence), God in the true religion remained unchanged in His very essence. Once again, as with the young man above (I hope he’s young), it’s not that you have to search for endless websites so to defend Islam from attack, rather you have to make peace with yourself and God, you’ve got to read from the other guys, because maybe (just maybe) they care more about your life than the supposed internet jihad warriors who affirm Islam over people.

The truth is Muhammad died cursing people: “May Allah’s Curse be on Jews and Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets.” (Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660).

While Jesus, the real Jesus, said upon the cross: “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” He then proved who He was by returning from the grave.

I understand you have reasons to deny the above, and that’s something for you my Muslim friend to search out for yourself and grab [onto] when you find the truth. I don’t believe you’ll find that truth in a religion which attempts to rewrite to entire history of the world to better fit it’s often disjointed and violent religious traditions. The Qur’an is vague for a reason. God bless you and the young person above. 🙂

OSC: Also, and I’m not intending to be mean spirited here, but does anyone else notice how none of the Muslim posters here can handle English properly? I mean Donald Trump can’t seem to tell when to use his past tense and his present tense in English grammar:

now let’s pick few claims
when did mohammad raped a child?
where did mohammad said kill those who leave Islam?
where did mohammad Tried to commit suicide.
and when did he cursed people

Honestly it’s like reading from captain Caveman. Kidman sadly does likewise: when did Prophet Mohammad (PBUM) (Pee Bum?) raped a child you lier? (“lier?”). & “from a man who worship 3 demonic false gods.”

This is not a one time thing, it’s a consistent pattern of inability. I’m not asking for perfection here. Instead of defending a political ideology that keeps people so ignorant, why not read a book instead (an English book).

And yes, Kidman, I’ve read the Qur’an, more than once. It’s a very poorly written book, and certainly not from God.


Religious relativism, it’s still false ^^^ Christianity isn’t Islam, Islam isn’t Buddhism, Buddhism isn’t Mormonism (I thought we celebrated diversity in the West?), why people believe they can simply write “Na, that’s Christianity you’re talking about” when we’re writing on Islamic injunctions is just craziness. Will Donald Trump abandon his religion of Islam? No, because you can’t abandon something you never attached yourself to in the first place. We’ve got an interesting couple anyhow, a bit exaggerated in their replies, but their views aren’t exactly originals, they’re not the kind of view you won’t be told about on TV, in university, anywhere really.

Nationwide indoctrination against Christian teaching, and if anyone believes otherwise, that’s only further proof of my theory! (sweet sweet confirmation bias). Still, is anyone’s opinion changed after these kinds of internet exchange? I believe they are, not necessarily the people involved in the discussion, rather, sometimes our best teaching work gets done indirectly. People change, I changed, I wasn’t always a man who thought highly of the Christian ethic or said to strangers “Don’t you know Jesus can change your life?” and yet awhile back that’s exactly what I was doing. Sitting down with a bum on the street (again technical terms in use!), he’s eating a cheese burger I got him, me drinking an overpriced bottle of water, and views are changed, people are brought into a place where they’re wanted, that’s always been true, they just don’t know it without having someone preach it to/around them.

That guy left with a red letter Bible. He was wearing those reflective sunglasses, like the kind a crooked cop wears and all you see is desert in the reflection, why you wouldn’t see yourself is a matter for the continuity buffs. I asked him straight, “is any of this going to reach you? Is this like shooting a bullet at the Terminator?” He laughed, one of the rare signs of fun I actually got from the guy, he paused, thought on it, and replied “Maybe it’ll penetrate.” The thing is (just like with the two posters above), even if that conversation didn’t go how I wanted it to, passers by must have heard us converse, what’s more it’s part of my refining in Christ, so it’s only a wasted effort if Christians shrink back into themselves, never realising how everybody’s our audience, especially so if we’re articulate and passionate about our faith in the one man who can do all things.

― T. C. M

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