Why the United States Is a Christian Nation

Despite enjoying Dr. Craig versus the late Christopher Hitchens, I’d be remiss in not adding, or at the least choosing to add, something by someone else on the Trump election controversy in the States, which commentators both in the UK and Stateside assured their listeners couldn’t happen (after also assuring they’d never become the Republican candidate). Nonetheless, president elect Trump shall be sworn into office sometime around January, which, needless to write, will be an event beset by whinging millennials and aged radicals alike. So, as opposed to continuing to saturate an already over exposed topic in both Clinton and Trump, I’m instead including one widely contentious question with regards to American history, namely “Is America a Christian nation?

― T. C. M



 

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27 thoughts on “Why the United States Is a Christian Nation

  1. I guess that depends on you’re definition of Christianity. By my reckoning, the GOP’s attitude is to collect all they can for themselves, and their cronies? Feed the hungry? Heal the sick? Not these folks.

    So I say, fuck no.

    Not sure why you followed my blog.

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    • Christianity aside, as the speaker in the above video (David Wood) made their case so articulately as to not need restating, I’d write there’s, if the Christian world-view were true, two types of Christian, one being an individual who identifies as “A Christian”, which would include many people in the GOP, some white supremacists and the loving kinds of a person you’ve mentioned etc, albeit there’s also a second sort, the sort described within the pages of the New Testament, that being someone born again by the Spirit of the Lord and refined to Their good pleasure. Now, insofar as definitions are concerned, there’s only one sort of Christian in the mind of an atheist, that being the first kind I’d mentioned, someone who identifies as Christian. They might be very good at turning the other cheek, or they might be less consistent, nonetheless, self-identity would be how people “became Christian”, there’d be no change of nature. However, considering the truth of the Christian world-view, Americans can take heart in that A. The majority of people statewide identify as Christian in outlook, B. Have a nation founded upon Christian ideas, even having their founding fathers draw heavily from the Christian writer John Locke, and C. They have actual regenerate people born again by the Spirit of Christ as a part of their wonderful nation.

      In addition, some of my dearest friends are of the left leaning persuasion, Elyse, their thoughts are valuable insofar as I’m concerned, in that, why wouldn’t I follow your blog?

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  2. Psalm 22:28

    “For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations.” Jesus says His kingdom is not of this world.

    I don’t think we can say we are a Christian nation but certainly a nation of many Christians. I go to Faith Presbyterian Church, Greensboro, North Carolina. In my own path I have committed to hand write the New Testament. Been about a year working on this on and off. Completed half way through I Timothy. Thanks for your recent visit to my blog. Nice to meet you. Blessings…

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    • Well, just imagine the scene yourself, Mr. Real Christian takes to the platform, he’s primed, every possible fiscal contingancy prepared for, every foreign affairs situation planned, they begin their speech, opening their Bible: “You’ve heard it said, ‘Do not commit adultery’, but Jesus says to us, that if you and I even look upon a women so to lust after her, we have already committed adultery with her in our hearts.” And our man just lost the male vote. 😛 Around 50% of the vote dropped in an instant. God calls you and I to a standard of goodness which makes people uncomfortable, and that was as true during Jesus’ ministry as it is today.

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  3. Thanks for following Oh, the Places We See. As we travel, we enjoy seeing remnants of all world religions. It’s part of our learning process. And we appreciate all for who they are and what they believe. Thanks for joining us on our journey. Hope our pictures reaffirm what we all pretty much believe: the world is a fascinating place.

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  4. I would say that America was FOUNDED on Christian principles. Clearly our laws…constitution…were based on biblical principles…”All men are created equal”…etc “Though shall not Kill…Steal”…etc
    Our philosophies…”The Golden rule”, Do unto others…etc BUT America hasn’t been living up to it…& has been FALLING AWAY from it more & more, & has been for years…which is why it is becoming a more dangerous & evil place to live.

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    • No need to correct yourself, J. L. I’m sure everyone understands. I think you’re correct, and here’s partly why, when founders build for themselves and others a nation which, governmentally speaking, presupposes certain values, objective values endowed by God, their population isn’t going to be able to consistently affirm such objective values when they have removed the foundation thereof (namely God). By taking away the only foundation for objective moral values and duties, which has been done by the culture becoming increasingly atheistic, the populous become increasingly deranged, trying to live out meaningful lives while at the same time denying that life actually possesses meaning to it.

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  5. The United States is definitely not a Christian nation. To imply so betrays an acceptance of Theocracy as a viable form of government. That is extremely dangerous. Religion is the most powerful tool of oppression known to humanity and has been a significant contributor to uncounted brutal deaths as well as sadistic destruction of natural habitats. It may occasionally help someone as a guide to moral principles, but only if done on a personal level. To tell someone else to believe YOUR belief system is the epitome of arrogance and an excellent start onto a path toward destruction.

    The U.S. was formed for freedom of expression and freedom from religious persecution – including the right to be completely free of religion. Stating that the U.S. was formed based on Christian values is false. (You provided evidence right here in the video). Democracy is an idea that goes back at least as far as the Greeks and possibly longer – definitely before the birth of Christ. The fact that the founding fathers were Christian for the most part has very little significance in what they intended to establish in the “American” colonies.

    However, if one truly wants to include religion in the context of what they did here there is no need to look further than the five century long genocide perpetrated by Christians against Americans.

    That was based on Christian values.

    That was driven by the Christian obsession with possessions and control of “others.” The violent European invaders who massacred families, destroyed forests, massacred bison (to cut off the Americans’ supply of food) and basically initiated an undeclared war on a mostly peaceful people did so in the name of Christianity. They cried out with religious fervor that they were “taming the wild”, “spreading civilization”, “taming the wild barbarians.”

    They arrogantly tried to push their twisted, suicidal belief system on communities of people that had virtually no crime, no prisons, no remedial schools, no drug abuse, no obsession with the ownership of land – people who were more balanced and more evolved as human beings than the invading army of weapon-weilding maniacs that scorched the continent. The European Christians were the barbarians and they have systematically turned the U.S. into a laboratory of mindless consumers being experimented on with various toxic chemical concoctions and behavior modification techniques.

    I’m shocked that Christians actually want to take credit for this murderous, suicidal machine that is slowly engineering the destruction of life as we know it around the entire planet.

    Christians Fundamentalists (who almost always also identify as Capitalist Fundamentalists – one of the most bizarre phenomena in human history) who are determined to label the U.S. as a Christian nation need to still their obsessive minds and ruminate on these deceptively violent ideas they’ve obediently incorporated into their world view.

    If people open their minds to compassion, peace and oneness they’ll see the folly of blindly following a belief system that inherently embraces divisions between people. These divisions are openings for dis-ease which will eventually cause diseases and disorders – physically, mentally and spiritually.

    We need to heal, but true healing is contingent upon having a peaceful heart filled with compassion (on an individual level) and the rendering of whole (on a societal level). Oneness.

    If we drop the labels, “otherness” and obsessive blaming, we will heal as a race.

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    • [^^^ citation needed]

      You’ve shared with me: “To tell someone else to believe YOUR belief system is the epitome of arrogance and an excellent start onto a path toward destruction.”

      You’ve then followed up by sharing: “If people open their minds to compassion, peace and oneness they’ll see the folly of blindly following a belief system that inherently embraces divisions between people. . . .We need to heal, but true healing is contingent upon having a peaceful heart filled with compassion (on an individual level) and the rendering of whole (on a societal level). Oneness. If we drop the labels, “otherness” and obsessive blaming, we will heal as a race.”

      Now, if you turn your claim upon itself, you’ve just attempted to drive everybody so patient enough as to read your message into accepting and being conformed into believing in your belief system. Thus, by your own damning verdict, it is you who are guilty of “the epitome of arrogance” and beginning your journey onto an ominous “path toward destruction.”

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      • Your reply is disingeunuous. To open to compassion, peace and oneness is not a belief system. A belief system is a set of rules and regulations with the intent of modifying the behavior of others. If you still your mind and allow compassion into your heart YOU will come up with your own philosophy of life as opposed to someone else’s. It is personal so everyone can have their own perception of oneness with the Universe. This prevents it from being a belief system and does not push anyone’s aganda on others.

        It sounds as if you are defending your religion as a viable belief system. I have no agenda as the closest you could come to giving a label to what I personally believe would be to call it love.

        Despite our difference of opinion I wish you well.

        Peace.

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  6. I would disagree with one crucial point, and the point that I think is the basis for modern arguments of Christian versus Secular in defining what the United States is. Religion does not hold a monopoly on moral authority. Any individual can be moral or ethical without religion, and the US can be an ethical nation without religion.

    Whether or not the US was founded on Christian principles is a moot point. The Founding Fathers lived in a socio-cultural context that framed their way of thinking in Western Christian terms. The United States is now a much more diverse country of people with belief systems of all types, and not all of them are religious in nature.

    Again, I am not saying that Christianity is not or cannot be a moral compass, so to speak, for many Americans, but I think assuming that it is the ONLY moral compass (or the only valid one) is dangerous, and ultimately leads to persecution and tyranny.

    Thank you for the follow. I’m certainly interested to read more of your thoughts on this subject. It feels as though this country is going through an identity crisis, and what no one seems to realize, or seems willing to understand, is that we can be a nation of both Christians AND Atheists, or Agnostics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or whatever belief system an individual wants to hold.

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    • I’d write the video makes three points, Steven. The first being that American is indeed a Christian nation, if by “Christian nation” the speaker means to say the majority of American people identify in some wise as being Christian. It’s true, albeit contingently true. Ditto the United States being founded upon Christian values, as it’s true. There’s then their third point, which reads too long to be rehearsed again. You’ve touched upon an idea that’s very important however, adding how the socio-cultural context in which certain people were raised caused various beliefs to flourish, about which most, including myself, would agree. It’s most assuredly the affirmation of various truth claims which inform our behaviour, for better or worse. However, due believing in various propositions, a person can either be living out a life of values they already affirm intellectually as being actual, or they can merely be acting in such a way that is contrary their beliefs and various intellectual musings.

      Let’s take classical Hinduism as an example, albeit brief, in Hindu thought people are in their place today on account of their past life behaviours. In short: while you or I happening upon a homeless quadriplegic, or deaf-blind child, would be cause for great sympathy, that’s not necessarily the case for people upon the Indian subcontinent. Rather, they’re of the mind that Karma, having had it’s way, or yet working itself out, simply settles cosmic disputes either in or out of our favour, with which, unfortunate people born poorly, or perhaps in uncomfortable circumstances, are getting their just deserts, it’s not an accident they are where they are, in Hindus thought, they’re getting their comeuppance! It was the fate they deserved, and perhaps in their next life they’ll be luckier than in the now. This causes in me to arise two observations, firstly, imagine how much easier suffering would be to accept believing the above, not merely easy for passers-by, but for sufferers themselves. And secondly, as has been pointed out by many Indian writers, believing in such things as cosmic justice served up over centuries of past life payback causes in the people who truly take their own Hinduism seriously apathy.

      To the above, you and I might protest, because, especially so in my case, we’ve met and work alongside many loving and charitable people who identify as Hindu, with which it appears to go contrary to experience that Hindus believers are callous to the suffering of others. This objection would be wholly natural. What’s going on in the above is that our Hindu friends are drawing from something other than their Hinduism when they’ve felt disturbed by an instance of pain and suffering which they’re confronted by, as their more religious, seasoned peers simply dismiss an inclination towards pity as something of an invention.

      When you share how nations can be Christian and atheist, agnostic and believing in Judaism, Islam, Buddhism (amidst others), you’re using David Wood’s first example of how America can be described as “Christian”, about which people often agree, as nobody would argue nations can’t be made up of diverse sorts of viewpoint. However, without also having an egalitarianism towards people, an egalitarianism denied by many beliefs, those same contrary beliefs are undoubtedly a source of friction, even contributing towards social collapse. Allow for me to explain by another example, certain beliefs, your own apparently included, exclude the exclusivists, 🙂 certain kinds of a person don’t belong in your society, nor would they be described as making up your America, they’d reject your America, consider my point further. Your society couldn’t withstand an onslaught of jihad hungry ideologues, but why, because to include their sort of beliefs is done to the potential (even probable) exclusion of other belief systems. Muslims who draw from purely Islam, and not more Western forms of expression, are not affirming of an egalitarianism towards others outside of their group dynamic, in fact, the very opposite would be true.

      As the famous saying goes: “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” It’s simply a matter of how thoroughly an open society can withstand certain types of thought which aren’t our thought, and certain ways which aren’t our ways. When atheists, who often affirm materialism, treat people as more than material, or Muslims proclaim there’s no compulsion in religion, similarly, while my Hindu friends cloth the poor, feed the hungry and love the outcast, my question can only be “Whose belief system is that anyway?”

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  7. The newly elected president would seem to be a very poor example of the Christian ideal. I’d prefer to live in a secular democracy, which in fact is what the United States is. Separation of church and state, yay!

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    • The United States is not actually a democracy, but rather, a representative Republic. Many find the separation of church and state as actually very attractive for the religious, as opposed to an ever growing union in which the church is continually conformed into the image of an unbelieving government, much like the situation in England. Yay indeed for the separation. 😉

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  8. A great video! Found your comments logical, biblical, and highly persuasive despite the heated topic under discussion. Tragically, I do not see this nation turning again to Christ. We can speak the truth, but cannot guarantee it will be accepted.

    Many thanks, by the way, for your follow. You can be sure I’ll return to read your blog, as well.

    Blessings,
    A.

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    • To be described as biblical, above every other compliment, is one to be appreciated, Anne. It’s very telling in the above that none of the more upset/heated posters have actually addressed the substance of the video, rather, having rode in on their preferred grudge, they’ve poured out their condemnation on issues of separation of church and state, “democracy” or even what they misunderstand as Christian history. It concerns me that they either haven’t watched the above video, or perhaps have watched, just don’t understand it’s content. Really it’s a compliment to David Wood and the people behind Acts17 that the critics can’t interact with their video for its quality.

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